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I haven't got my roc yet but knowing my love of bass will probably want to put a sub in it.

My question is has anyone seen the back off the standard headunit or put a sub in themselves and if so what outs does it have and is there a remote lead connection?

I really like the standard unit and would hate to have to change it and lose the features that come with it just to put in a sub.

all surggestions welcome.
 

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Don't know what the back looks like (try google images maybe?) but your sub can be wired in to the rear speakers. I had this done on a previous car where i wanted to keep the oem stereo. Worked well for me.
 

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Cheers for the help guys now i just need to learn german and im set....lol. but seriously i think i get the idear from the pictures thanks for the help.
 

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Hey dazza, Can't really help you regarding what the back of the headunit looks like, but I just had a Pioneer - TS-WX77A sub installed in my Roc.. It cost me £299 (fully fitted) by Technicar in Sheffield, they did a top job!

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The bass is sooo deep!, overall I am VERY happy with it! and would fully recommend getting one! :D my mates thought I had a couple of hard hitting 12's in the boot. When I showed them, they were gob smacked!! :shock: (Pics attached)

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Review from - Talk Audio -

An active subwoofer that is intended to be as easy to integrate as possible. It has a very shallow profile and is intended to go behind truck seats, up behind estate car seat backs or simply to strap down in the boot. It has an especially tough coating so that you may put luggage on top of what is a proper wooden bass enclosure and thus not lose significant boot cubic capacity. In fact it looks like a skinny but tough-nut sort of a shallow suitcase itself. You can connect by either RCA inputs from say the link output of a Pioneer amplifier, or else simply piggy back a speaker wire into the inputs and go in on speaker level. The device has two 16cm drivers hidden within that are actually designed for serious use. They are each provided with a true 50w RMS from a MOSFET amplification circuit (more balls, basically) and they have extra strong magnets made with Strontium in them so as to offer a higher magnetic ‘shove’. Also, the speakers have dual layer voice coils for coping with heavy prolonged drive without burning out. The speaker drivers’ output is squeezed through an opening into a tapered horn affair which takes the sound and gives it some degree of acoustic gain. It reminds me of transmission line horns as the sound’s path length to the outside world is so long. It this sort of loading that Bose use to make tiny speakers give an impression of real bass in their smaller speaker products like the Wave radio’s. The whole item feels solid and weighty with a distinct mass at the end the amplifier and drivers live in. really rather good looking this nevertheless seems to be about toughness rather than bling. That said, the end port hole where the bass comes out is distinctly curvy and gas-flowed and quite lovely to behold.

In another lovely Talk Audio exclusive, we are the very first to get a go on this device. It has no real antecedents as despite there being plenty of big active woofers and quite a collection of tiny under seat woofers with their own amps onboard out there, this does seem to address an old idea in a new-ish sort of a way. The idea is that even a skinny space can be used to make some genuine lows.

Whereas a normal under seat woofer gives you just the beginning of a bit of bass, enough to be able to feel that your sounds have some weight behind them, what this does is a great example of why subwoofers are also great for home HiFi systems. When the bass is reinforced, the rest of the speakers’ sound becomes tighter and more defined. You drive them less hard as the bass is coming from the woofer and whole result â€" not just the bass â€" is enhanced, tightened and made an order or magnitude more enjoyable. You might know that Pioneer are makers of some of the most powerful headunit chip amps in existence and even all these years later no company has been able to emulate the MOSFET headunit amplifier that you can actually hook real woofers up to using the rear channels bridged.

This is another product that can show what can be done with mere headunit power and turns the system from one that would be obviously just what was in the dash if you were sat next to the thing in traffic with all windows open, to wondering just what system the bloke had on board after all, as you will hear and feel their bass. And just by using headunit power plus the 2x50 watter in this unit.

I heard TS-WX77A in the Pioneer marketing man’s ride and it was remarkable. Full and able to really drop and hold some weight! So much so that I had to point out that bassy demonstrations were really not something that I like to do on my doorstep as the neighbours would get rather a lot of it â€" so it wasn’t piffle!

Whereas so many of this sort of small item has been a bit of an afterthought before, this is from a range of unique looking active subwoofers that Pioneer do to fit in the strange places in some vehicles. They’ve always had some odd and cunning ones â€" I saw a mad looking thing in Tokyo once that we never even saw in the UK. But now with the TS-WX77A I really think we have a properly important product that could be the making of an awful lot of cars’ acoustic lives.

Well impressed!

- Frequency response: 25Hz to 200Hz, in car response to 102dB SPL (SUV type)- Built in MOSFET 2 x 50w power amplifier- RCA and speaker level inputs
- Two 16cm IMPP composite cone woofers (injection moulded Polypropylene)
- Rare Earth Strontium magnets for more powerful sound
- Heat resistant two layer voice coils to woofer cones- Back loaded 16 litre MDF horn enclosure, bandpass/transmission line similarities- Built in lowpass crossover, variable between 50Hz to 125Hz @ 12dB per Octave- Die cast aluminium heat sink to amplifier
- Anti-slip, anti-scratch tough polyurethane coating to enable luggage to be put on top
- Wired remote with six metre non-gripping cable to control gain, crossover frequency and phase of output
- Dimensions(WxHxD): 890 x 52 x 350mm
- Mass 11.2kg (24lbs)- Complete with straps, anchor points and fixings, main Molex-plugged loom and fat mains wire and RCA-to-speaker adapter wire.
 

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Fuse187 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:23 pm

Hey dazza, Can't really help you regarding what the back of the headunit looks like, but I just had a Pioneer - TS-WX77A sub installed in my Roc.. It cost me £299 (fully fitted) by Technicar in Sheffield, they did a top job!
I'm liking that... and a good price. Not seen/heard one in the flesh but the reports are good.

Although that een said I would be surprised if the head unit did not have a pre-out and a remote, or maybe I am giving VW too much credit and they would rather see their cars ripped apart than allow someone to integrate aftermarket ICE into their OEM kit.

I am sure I saw someone selling a RC510 unit somewhere recently which may well have had some 'helpful' pics
 

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Thanks for all help again guys, and i like that pioneer unit £299 fitted sounds like a bargin may go down that route get someone else to do the hard work.
 

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I just had a Pioneer - TS-WX77A sub installed in my Roc.. It cost me £299 (fully fitted) by Technicar in Sheffield, they did a top job!
Thanks for that Fuse, that system looks impressive!
Can I ask did you fit this to the Dynaudio system or the standard speakers?
 

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Hi bwfly88,

The Pioneer was fitted to the standard system and speakers.. Everything has paired up perfectly, the bass is deeeep and tight, so much that you would think you had a BIG boxed - 12" twin enclosure in the boot. This way, you get the Bass without compromising on boot space -I would fully recommend getting one! ;)

Would be interesting to know how it sounds with the Dynaaudio system.. :)
 

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Fuse187 said:
Hi bwfly88,

The Pioneer was fitted to the standard system and speakers.. Everything has paired up perfectly, the bass is deeeep and tight, so much that you would think you had a BIG boxed - 12" twin enclosure in the boot. This way, you get the Bass without compromising on boot space -I would fully recommend getting one! ;)

Would be interesting to know how it sounds with the Dynaaudio system.. :)
I've got Dynaudio & am sorely tempted by this... will try & find a local supplier / fitter to me (Hampshire)... will keep you posted if I do...
 
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